Duke Divinity professor Kate Bowler was 35 years old when she was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. And she started noticing all the ways people tried to show up for her when something bad happens. Friends and family try to find the bright side, but there were lessons to be learned from hard things. Or that when something bad happens, it's just part of a universal plan.
She wrote a bestselling memoir about that experience called "Everything Happens For A Reason: And Other Lies I've Loved." Since then, she started a podcast called "Everything Happens," and she explores how what she calls toxic positivity shapes the way we talk about difficult things.
Bowler sat down with Rachel Martin on Wild Card to answer questions about her life pulled from a deck of cards.
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